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 Post subject: Re: New album 2015
PostPosted: Tue May 10, 2016 10:26 pm 
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[quote="marieneige"][quote="razorback917"][quote="marieneige"]Thank you for the links, it's striking me now as well. And I don't think you're a nitpicking *******. I just think I'm deaf.

MNge



lol, had u been deaf, Im sure u wouldnt be a fan of MS ;)

Everybody knows I'm here for the boys! :roll:

Joke aside, and excuse my naivety, but I have a question that goes over Moonsorrow.
Don't composers tend to re-use some parts of their creation all along their carreer, as a gimmick or just innocently?

MNge


They surely do so, most of them.. But MS last 4 albums (EP included) did exactly opposite. Each of them was unique and different from its predecessor, but somehow oozed Moonsorrow. This one however is a strange mix of all previous eras.. which IMO musically do not blend so well together

I personally would love them to really go radical again on the next one and surprise everybody with smth original, more instrumental maybe, less choirs definately (they really went nuts with choirs on this album), smth Drudkh-like (with more synths and stronger melodies) would be perfect :)

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 Post subject: Re: New album 2015
PostPosted: Tue May 10, 2016 10:47 pm 
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Moulk wrote:
marieneige wrote:
Don't composers tend to re-use some parts of their creation all along their carreer, as a gimmick or just innocently?


Yeah, I think most of them do that. It's pretty clear that when you find something which is both coming from your heart and really cool/beautiful, it's hard not to use it again, even in different ways. I think a composer (or any artist) is a perpetual learner, but some of them tend to use more of their "trademark" than others. It can be because it's easy, because they're self-centered, or because they don't know how to do otherwise. It's okay to re-use a good element, if you use it intelligently.

And Razorback, okay, I now I see your point. But the fact is that Moonsorrow did not begin to steal their own riffs with this new album! Examples:

The rhythmic riff in these songs:
Koylionjarven: https://youtu.be/KR8WP6iO-AE?t=41
Pakanajuhla: https://youtu.be/-14fipyeJuY?t=17s
Huuto: https://youtu.be/MRg8Tg-oM_A?t=627
And Kivenkantaja has the same in triplets: https://youtu.be/AqNVDhC8FZI?t=59





I've been talking about the "cringing" bends before, here are four examples (and of course you can add Ruttolehto to the list and some solo bits in other songs):

Sankarihauta: https://youtu.be/TwN8QRpAP3k?t=3m45s
Raunioilla: https://youtu.be/xpUtyrRaS1Q?t=9m45s
Tuulen Tytär/Soturin Tie: https://youtu.be/CRpdakf-k9o?t=7m50s
Jäästä Syntynyt: https://youtu.be/3isGs5se-Z8?t=21m29s


But wait, there's more! Listen to the second part of Karhunkynsi and one of the middle riffs of Tuleen Ajettu Maa:

Karhunkynsi: https://youtu.be/vpnhUp-LEKU?t=532
Tuleen Ajettu Maa: https://youtu.be/RCWAdV0fvaI?t=798


So, yeah, at least you can't really say they started to copy their own music with Jumalten Aika :P



Yeah, the last one is quite similar I admit, Huuto however has a much more sophisticated arrangement compared with Koylionjarven or Pakanajuhla

As for the bends, their repeated use its not bugging me at all, its more of a trademark than anything else..


What bugs me is the strange blend of the styles on Jumalten Aika, as I wrote above. And thats maybe why all of these motifs from the past albums stand out more..


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 Post subject: Re: New album 2015
PostPosted: Wed May 11, 2016 11:26 am 
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LOL, the big brother is watching over this forum it seems, all of the youtube links to songs on the new album have been blocked ))) way to go lads!


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